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'''Note from Dr. Butler: I have italicized the better answers.'''
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#Ellen Seiter, in ''Channels of Discourse'', writes, "The picture [of Fangface] itself is a syntagm. ... In the paradigmatic dimension the options are a pair of categories nature/culture (or animal/human...), which is the source of the image's meaning." She continues, "...Hodge and Trip have introduced the binary opposition (nature/culture) and proceeded to organize the elements of the television image into paradigmatic sets."
 
#Ellen Seiter, in ''Channels of Discourse'', writes, "The picture [of Fangface] itself is a syntagm. ... In the paradigmatic dimension the options are a pair of categories nature/culture (or animal/human...), which is the source of the image's meaning." She continues, "...Hodge and Trip have introduced the binary opposition (nature/culture) and proceeded to organize the elements of the television image into paradigmatic sets."
#*List three or four "paradigmatic sets" in the "Prophecy Girl" episode of ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer''.
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#*List three or four "paradigmatic sets" in the "Prophecy Girl" episode of ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer''.  
 
#**'''Group 1 Bryan:'''
 
#**'''Group 1 Bryan:'''
 
#**#All shots of the master with a high vantage point (above the eyeline)
 
#**#All shots of the master with a high vantage point (above the eyeline)
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#**#All shots below the eyeline of Buffy
 
#**#All shots below the eyeline of Buffy
 
#**'''Group 2 Abigail:'''
 
#**'''Group 2 Abigail:'''
#**#we thought that a few examples from the episode of Buffy that we watched in class would be the character Angel, because he is both a vampire (evil), and a human (good).   
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#**#''We thought that a few examples from the episode of Buffy that we watched in class would be the character Angel, because he is both a vampire (evil), and a human (good).''  
#**#We also thought that Buffy could be a paradigmatic set because she was a 16 year old school girl and a vampire slayer.   
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#**#''We also thought that Buffy could be a paradigmatic set because she was a 16 year old school girl and a vampire slayer.'  
#**#We also thought the backdrop of the show itself could be a paradigmatic set because it comes across as a teen romance but it also is about the apocalypse.
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#**#''We also thought the backdrop of the show itself could be a paradigmatic set because it comes across as a teen romance but it also is about the apocalypse.''
 
#**'''Group 3 Carvel:'''
 
#**'''Group 3 Carvel:'''
#**# Living/Dead
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#**# ''Living/Dead''
#**# Toughness/beauty
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#**# ''Toughness/beauty''
#**# Reality/abnormality
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#**# ''Reality/abnormality''
 
#**'''Group 4 Hannah:'''
 
#**'''Group 4 Hannah:'''
 
#**#Making women predators instead of prey
 
#**#Making women predators instead of prey
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#***#Weaknesses: Semiotics often categorize causing them to generalize something which can downplay importance or some other aspect.  Structuralists "often leads to to a description of the worldview of a culture" which can have negative effects.
 
#***#Weaknesses: Semiotics often categorize causing them to generalize something which can downplay importance or some other aspect.  Structuralists "often leads to to a description of the worldview of a culture" which can have negative effects.
 
#**'''Group 2:'''
 
#**'''Group 2:'''
#***#We thought some strengths of structuralist analysis are that it is very thorough and it sees how things fit together in the text and also reflects the world view of a culture.
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#***#''We thought some strengths of structuralist analysis are that it is very thorough and it sees how things fit together in the text and also reflects the world view of a culture.''
#***#We thought some weaknesses would be that it is very complicated and can ten to overcomplicate some things and there is so much to analyze that it can become too much.
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#***#''We thought some weaknesses would be that it is very complicated and can ten to overcomplicate some things and there is so much to analyze that it can become too much.''
 
#**'''Group 3:'''
 
#**'''Group 3:'''
 
#*** Strengths-
 
#*** Strengths-
#***#How the meaning is created rather then what the meaning is
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#***#''How the meaning is created rather then what the meaning is''
#***#Helps understand relationships
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#***#''Helps understand relationships''
 
#***Weaknesses –
 
#***Weaknesses –
 
#***#There is no gray area
 
#***#There is no gray area
 
#***#Not structured well, can be very broad  
 
#***#Not structured well, can be very broad  
 
#**'''Group 4:'''
 
#**'''Group 4:'''
#***#Strength: Raise new theoretical issues
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#***#Strength: ''Raise new theoretical issues''
#***#Strength: Make us aware of what we take for granted that is represented in the world
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#***#Strength: ''Make us aware of what we take for granted that is represented in the world''
#***#Weakness: Not everyone will have the same interpretation of signs
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#***#Weakness: ''Not everyone will have the same interpretation of signs''
 
#***#Weakness: Too Broad in analysis; not concise or structured  
 
#***#Weakness: Too Broad in analysis; not concise or structured  
  

Revision as of 16:01, 12 November 2009

Note from Dr. Butler: I have italicized the better answers.

  1. Ellen Seiter, in Channels of Discourse, writes, "The picture [of Fangface] itself is a syntagm. ... In the paradigmatic dimension the options are a pair of categories nature/culture (or animal/human...), which is the source of the image's meaning." She continues, "...Hodge and Trip have introduced the binary opposition (nature/culture) and proceeded to organize the elements of the television image into paradigmatic sets."
    • List three or four "paradigmatic sets" in the "Prophecy Girl" episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
      • Group 1 Bryan:
        1. All shots of the master with a high vantage point (above the eyeline)
        2. All shots of Buffy during the scene where the guy tries to ask her to the dance from Camera position A
        3. All shots below the eyeline of Buffy
      • Group 2 Abigail:
        1. We thought that a few examples from the episode of Buffy that we watched in class would be the character Angel, because he is both a vampire (evil), and a human (good).
        2. We also thought that Buffy could be a paradigmatic set because she was a 16 year old school girl and a vampire slayer.'
        3. We also thought the backdrop of the show itself could be a paradigmatic set because it comes across as a teen romance but it also is about the apocalypse.
      • Group 3 Carvel:
        1. Living/Dead
        2. Toughness/beauty
        3. Reality/abnormality
      • Group 4 Hannah:
        1. Making women predators instead of prey
        2. Triumph of good over evil
        3. Vampire named Angel / A form of evil holds a name of purity and good
        4. Zander is needy/emotional vs. Buffy who is unemotional and detached
  2. List two strength(s) of semiotic/structuralist analysis. List two weaknesses of this approach (no, a difficult vocabulary does not count).
      • Group 1:
          1. Strengths: The semiotic approach focuses heavily on studying language. Structuralists give an accurate account of a culture because of their heavy studying of the rules and taboos.
          2. Weaknesses: Semiotics often categorize causing them to generalize something which can downplay importance or some other aspect. Structuralists "often leads to to a description of the worldview of a culture" which can have negative effects.
      • Group 2:
          1. We thought some strengths of structuralist analysis are that it is very thorough and it sees how things fit together in the text and also reflects the world view of a culture.
          2. We thought some weaknesses would be that it is very complicated and can ten to overcomplicate some things and there is so much to analyze that it can become too much.
      • Group 3:
        • Strengths-
          1. How the meaning is created rather then what the meaning is
          2. Helps understand relationships
        • Weaknesses –
          1. There is no gray area
          2. Not structured well, can be very broad
      • Group 4:
          1. Strength: Raise new theoretical issues
          2. Strength: Make us aware of what we take for granted that is represented in the world
          3. Weakness: Not everyone will have the same interpretation of signs
          4. Weakness: Too Broad in analysis; not concise or structured

Bibliography

  1. Butler, Jeremy G. Television: Critical Methods and Applications. Mahweh, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 2007.
  2. Robert C. Allen, Channels of Discourse, Reassembled, second edition (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1992).

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