Difference between pages "Humphrey Bogart as Star (Discussion)" and "Ideological Criticism (Discussion)/Chat transcript"

Latest revision as of 17:31, 14 August 2019

Time	User	Said
Thu Nov 13 14:58:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I see we have one more joining us...
Thu Nov 13 14:58:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	whoa and a bunch just arrived
Thu Nov 13 14:58:42 2008	Jeremy_Butler	hello Katie, Nathan, and Amanda!
Thu Nov 13 14:58:49 2008	Katie_Hallman	Hi!
Thu Nov 13 14:58:57 2008	Nathaniel_Phillips	hey
Thu Nov 13 14:58:59 2008	Amanda_Killen	hi!
Thu Nov 13 14:59:01 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Greetings, Erin!
Thu Nov 13 14:59:06 2008	Erin_Williams	hello!
Thu Nov 13 14:59:12 2008	Jeremy_Butler	G'day Bethany!
Thu Nov 13 14:59:32 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hello to you all from Phoenix Arizona!
Thu Nov 13 14:59:55 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Is anyone joining us from somewhere besides Tuscaloosa/Northport?
Thu Nov 13 15:00:01 2008	Christy_Abercrombie	bham
Thu Nov 13 15:00:02 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Christy: Are you in Bhm?
Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I see
Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008	Christy_Abercrombie	yes sir
Thu Nov 13 15:00:26 2008	Bethany_Andrews	hello!
Thu Nov 13 15:00:48 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I see now that we've got 8 students
Thu Nov 13 15:00:58 2008	Jeremy_Butler	That's about half the class.
Thu Nov 13 15:01:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'll give the others a little while before we start
Thu Nov 13 15:01:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hey, Ben!
Thu Nov 13 15:01:35 2008	Benjamin_Kallam	Hey
Thu Nov 13 15:03:18 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hi, Marissa!
Thu Nov 13 15:03:23 2008	Marissa_De_Anda	hello
Thu Nov 13 15:03:29 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Greetings, Nic!
Thu Nov 13 15:03:34 2008	John_Gulas	helllo
Thu Nov 13 15:03:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hey, Brian
Thu Nov 13 15:03:58 2008	Brian_Hubble	Hi.
Thu Nov 13 15:04:00 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hello, Graham!
Thu Nov 13 15:04:05 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	hey room
Thu Nov 13 15:04:23 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I see about 15 of you made it!
Thu Nov 13 15:04:26 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Excellent!
Thu Nov 13 15:05:03 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	so whats the word?
Thu Nov 13 15:05:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'm in Phoenix just now
Thu Nov 13 15:05:44 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	nice out there?
Thu Nov 13 15:06:05 2008	Amanda_Killen	that's awesome
Thu Nov 13 15:06:12 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Kinda looks like this (see way too big image dispalying above
Thu Nov 13 15:06:20 2008	Erin_Williams	that's really pretty - how's the weather?
Thu Nov 13 15:06:23 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	nice. you golf?
Thu Nov 13 15:06:38 2008	Bethany_Andrews	that's beautiful
Thu Nov 13 15:06:39 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	that is really cool
Thu Nov 13 15:06:55 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Let's go back to Screenpedia...
Thu Nov 13 15:06:57 2008	Brian_Hubble	Very nice.
Thu Nov 13 15:07:15 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'm in my parents house... which makes this pretty strange for me!
Thu Nov 13 15:07:23 2008	Amanda_Killen	hahaha
Thu Nov 13 15:07:26 2008	Benjamin_Kallam	Ha
Thu Nov 13 15:07:27 2008	Marissa_De_Anda	lol
Thu Nov 13 15:07:34 2008	Katie_Hallman	haha
Thu Nov 13 15:07:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'm having high school flashbacks...
Thu Nov 13 15:07:43 2008	John_Gulas	lol
Thu Nov 13 15:07:47 2008	Amanda_Killen	lol
Thu Nov 13 15:07:54 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'll tell you one bit of Central High School (Phx) trivia before we start.
Thu Nov 13 15:08:07 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I went to school with John McCain's wife, Cindy
Thu Nov 13 15:08:11 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Central, class of '72
Thu Nov 13 15:08:14 2008	Katie_Hallman	omg!
Thu Nov 13 15:08:16 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	well
Thu Nov 13 15:08:18 2008	Marissa_De_Anda	really
Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008	Amanda_Killen	woahhh
Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008	Katie_Hallman	that's crazy
Thu Nov 13 15:08:29 2008	Erin_Williams	wow!
Thu Nov 13 15:08:31 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I had an offer of $300 for my senior year yearbook
Thu Nov 13 15:08:33 2008	Bethany_Andrews	did you know her?
Thu Nov 13 15:08:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	from a guy who collects celebrity yearbooks
Thu Nov 13 15:08:42 2008	Katie_Hallman	i would take the $300
Thu Nov 13 15:08:44 2008	Benjamin_Kallam	What was she like?
Thu Nov 13 15:08:56 2008	Amanda_Killen	that's so funny
Thu Nov 13 15:08:58 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'd guess it's worth a LOT less now... :(
Thu Nov 13 15:09:16 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay, enough Phx trivia...
Thu Nov 13 15:09:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Thank you all for trying out this chat thing
Thu Nov 13 15:09:43 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	seems ok
Thu Nov 13 15:09:48 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I did it on Tuesday with TCF 340 -- right Nathan?
Thu Nov 13 15:09:51 2008	Jeremy_Butler	And it worked okay
Thu Nov 13 15:09:59 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	yea, we should do it again sometime
Thu Nov 13 15:10:00 2008	Nathaniel_Phillips	yeah it worked out pretty well
Thu Nov 13 15:10:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Plus I learned some stuff about the interface that should make it better this time
Thu Nov 13 15:10:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	here's what we're going to do...
Thu Nov 13 15:10:26 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'm going to divide you up like we do in class
Thu Nov 13 15:10:37 2008	Jeremy_Butler	but here it's called 'breakout rooms'
Thu Nov 13 15:10:54 2008	Jeremy_Butler	You'll be able to chat there as individual groups
Thu Nov 13 15:11:03 2008	Jeremy_Butler	about the terms displayed above, from Screenpedia
Thu Nov 13 15:11:16 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Then your group leader will be responsibel for reporting to the class
Thu Nov 13 15:11:17 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	will we need to click something
Thu Nov 13 15:11:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'll do the dividing
Thu Nov 13 15:11:45 2008	Jeremy_Butler	You don't need to 'virtually' rearrange your chairs
Thu Nov 13 15:11:59 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Although you may walk around your apartment/dorm room if you feel like it!
Thu Nov 13 15:12:15 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay...
Thu Nov 13 15:12:31 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	okay
Thu Nov 13 15:12:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Theother thing is there are some little icons just to the right of the text enry box
Thu Nov 13 15:12:43 2008	Jeremy_Butler	a check mark, an X, a hand
Thu Nov 13 15:13:01 2008	Jeremy_Butler	If you click the checkmark, it means "yes" and puts a check next to your name
Thu Nov 13 15:13:06 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The 'X' means no
Thu Nov 13 15:13:25 2008	Jonathan_Carpenter	pertaining to
Thu Nov 13 15:13:30 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So, everyone try that out: If you understand what we're about to do, click the checkmark
Thu Nov 13 15:13:46 2008	Jeremy_Butler	If you don't, click the X
Thu Nov 13 15:14:32 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Alright!
Thu Nov 13 15:14:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Click it again to clear it from the column
Thu Nov 13 15:14:54 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'm going to divide you now...
Thu Nov 13 15:16:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... everyone is in a breakout room now
Thu Nov 13 15:16:59 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I can broadcast to the whole class, but you can only type to your group members
Thu Nov 13 15:17:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'll come visit each room...
Thu Nov 13 15:17:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	... but start working on the terms listed for your group in Screenpedia above
Thu Nov 13 15:17:49 2008	Jeremy_Butler	You can send me a personal message by using the drop-downlist to the left of the text entry box
Thu Nov 13 15:26:50 2008	Jeremy_Butler	We'll work in breakout rooms until 2:35
Thu Nov 13 15:28:34 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television
Thu Nov 13 15:28:42 2008	Jeremy_Butler	ooops... I mean...
Thu Nov 13 15:29:05 2008	Jeremy_Butler	If you room finishes early, please start working on the Screenpedia section titled 'Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television"
Thu Nov 13 15:31:33 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Hey, Chuck
Thu Nov 13 15:31:54 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Do you read me?
Thu Nov 13 15:32:10 2008	Charles_Chapleau	yes sir
Thu Nov 13 15:32:31 2008	Charles_Chapleau	sorry im late
Thu Nov 13 15:32:33 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The class has been divided into breakout rooms until 2:35
Thu Nov 13 15:32:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I'll move you into yours.
Thu Nov 13 15:32:46 2008	Jeremy_Butler	That's okay. Glad you could make it
Thu Nov 13 15:32:53 2008	Charles_Chapleau	ok thank you
Thu Nov 13 15:35:10 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... let's move on back into the main room
Thu Nov 13 15:35:15 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Get ready...
Thu Nov 13 15:36:09 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Welcome back everyone!
Thu Nov 13 15:36:26 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Let's find out what folks learned in the breakout rooms
Thu Nov 13 15:36:38 2008	Jeremy_Butler	We'll start with Group 2
Thu Nov 13 15:36:53 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mitch: how did you guys define 'social classes'?
Thu Nov 13 15:37:09 2008	Jeremy_Butler	(by the way, the chat in the main room is being recorded and will be posted later)
Thu Nov 13 15:37:34 2008	Jeremy_Butler	(Amanda: your group is next)
Thu Nov 13 15:38:31 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mitch: did we lose you?
Thu Nov 13 15:38:56 2008	Jeremy_Butler	uh oh...
Thu Nov 13 15:38:59 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	I'm sorry, I was having some difficulties
Thu Nov 13 15:39:07 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... take your time
Thu Nov 13 15:39:25 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Amanda, could you hop in and define "means of production"?
Thu Nov 13 15:40:21 2008	Amanda_Killen	its factories that the bourgeois capitalists controlled - it determines who will work. In Marx's ideology, the working class has the power to withold the labor, or means of production
Thu Nov 13 15:40:32 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Right
Thu Nov 13 15:40:53 2008	Jeremy_Butler	And what is the idea behind 'dominant ideology'?
Thu Nov 13 15:41:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Oh, one thing about the means of production:
Thu Nov 13 15:41:25 2008	Jeremy_Butler	it's owned by the bourgeoisie
Thu Nov 13 15:41:52 2008	Jeremy_Butler	They control it, but the working class may go on strike to disrupt it
Thu Nov 13 15:42:11 2008	Amanda_Killen	its a system of beliefs about the world that benefits and supports a society's ruling class . It's an effort to smooth over contradiction in the process of promoting a more unified idea of social subjectivity
Thu Nov 13 15:42:29 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Right.
Thu Nov 13 15:42:52 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So the dominant ideology is the system of beliefs that belongs to the dominant class
Thu Nov 13 15:42:59 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	social classes are grounded in economic s and a person's relation to work or labor. according to marx all conflicts in a society can be boiled down to class struggle
Thu Nov 13 15:43:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mitch: right
Thu Nov 13 15:43:20 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So what did Marx see as the three main classes?
Thu Nov 13 15:43:34 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	aristocracy is the kings and queens, the royal class
Thu Nov 13 15:43:43 2008	Jeremy_Butler	right
Thu Nov 13 15:44:08 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	Bourgeoisie is the ruling class that controls the means of production
Thu Nov 13 15:44:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	correct
Thu Nov 13 15:44:27 2008	Jeremy_Butler	and proletariat?
Thu Nov 13 15:44:42 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	the poor suckers that have to work for a living
Thu Nov 13 15:44:44 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	The proleteriat is the working class that does the actual production
Thu Nov 13 15:44:45 2008	Jeremy_Butler	you got it
Thu Nov 13 15:45:10 2008	Jeremy_Butler	in the US then, there is no aristocracy
Thu Nov 13 15:45:15 2008	Jeremy_Butler	but in Europe, there is
Thu Nov 13 15:45:28 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Aristocratic power is based in bloodlines
Thu Nov 13 15:45:32 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	The ruling class today is the economic elete
Thu Nov 13 15:45:35 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	elite
Thu Nov 13 15:45:41 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The power of the bourgeois is based in money
Thu Nov 13 15:45:44 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	you could call our celebrity system an aristocray
Thu Nov 13 15:46:04 2008	Jeremy_Butler	the bourgeoisie owns the factories, media, transporation, etc
Thu Nov 13 15:46:12 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Matthew: in a sense you're right
Thu Nov 13 15:46:31 2008	Jeremy_Butler	but celebrities aren't able to hand down their power to their children the way true aristocrats do
Thu Nov 13 15:46:49 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The power of the working class, then, is in their labor
Thu Nov 13 15:46:50 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	So would the ruling class be like the major studios and media outlets today?
Thu Nov 13 15:47:06 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mitch: yep, the ruling class conntrols those entities
Thu Nov 13 15:47:11 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	huh? good point
Thu Nov 13 15:47:17 2008	Jeremy_Butler	OK, group 1:
Thu Nov 13 15:47:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What's hegemony?
Thu Nov 13 15:47:30 2008	Christy_Abercrombie	its basically when one dominant class has influence or control over a society
Thu Nov 13 15:47:33 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Christy?
Thu Nov 13 15:47:37 2008	Jeremy_Butler	right
Thu Nov 13 15:47:46 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Can you tell us anything more about how that control works?
Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008	Charles_Chapleau	it describes the general predominance of a particular class, political, and ideological interests within a given society
Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008	Christy_Abercrombie	our example was politicians because they are very good at manipulating our thoughts, in terms of what we think we want, or they convince us we have problems and they can fix them... so they influence us by making us vote for them
Thu Nov 13 15:48:47 2008	Jeremy_Butler	True
Thu Nov 13 15:48:58 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The key element to hegemony, as you're implying...
Thu Nov 13 15:49:25 2008	Jeremy_Butler	...is that the subordinated class (the class being exploited), comes to believe the ruling class' values are its own
Thu Nov 13 15:49:44 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Let's try another element of this chat interface...
Thu Nov 13 15:50:00 2008	Jeremy_Butler	If you can answer the following question, click the little hand icon
Thu Nov 13 15:50:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	That will virtually raise your hand
Thu Nov 13 15:50:22 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Now, don't buzz in yet! Wait for the questino!
Thu Nov 13 15:50:45 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What would be an example of a ruling class value that non-ruling class people believe?
Thu Nov 13 15:51:02 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Brian, that was fast! Anyone else?
Thu Nov 13 15:51:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	See how it numbers the hand raising column?
Thu Nov 13 15:51:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay, we'll start with Brian:
Thu Nov 13 15:51:31 2008	Brian_Hubble	The disestablishment of the Estate Tax and equating that with the 'Death Tax'.
Thu Nov 13 15:51:41 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Can you explain further?
Thu Nov 13 15:52:03 2008	Jeremy_Butler	While he's doing that: Matthew, what's your example?
Thu Nov 13 15:52:06 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	the harder you work, the better your chances of succeeding in life
Thu Nov 13 15:52:18 2008	Charles_Chapleau	i like that one
Thu Nov 13 15:52:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Matthew: exactly. Here's an idea that mostly serves the bourgeoisie, but which most working class people believe
Thu Nov 13 15:52:58 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	the bourgeoisie want to keep the prolitariate working
Thu Nov 13 15:53:01 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So, when working class people accept values that are NOT in their interest, then you have hegemony
Thu Nov 13 15:53:13 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mitch, Graham: your thoughts?
Thu Nov 13 15:53:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	(click the hand a second time to clear it)
Thu Nov 13 15:53:39 2008	Brian_Hubble	The Estate Tax is a tax on unearned wealth that most came into effect when transfering sums of money from various mutual funds or liquidating assets. But it became equated with a tax charged upon your death before your money is distributed to the benefactors of your will. This is a very short view since this tax only effect the top 1% of earners yet it was used to rally working class people who could never be called upon to pay something like this to defeat it.
Thu Nov 13 15:53:41 2008	Charles_Chapleau	yes, the idea is viewed as the commonsense view for both classes
Thu Nov 13 15:54:17 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Right, Chuck, when ruling class values become 'commensense' for EVERYONE, you have hegemony
Thu Nov 13 15:54:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Good example, Brian
Thu Nov 13 15:54:28 2008	Mitchell_DeAnda	It is natural that working class values would be largely dictated by the rulling class
Thu Nov 13 15:55:07 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay, I had planned to divide you again, but let's try discussing the next points as one big class
Thu Nov 13 15:55:21 2008	Jeremy_Butler	we'll use the hand-raising function to try to make it work
Thu Nov 13 15:55:34 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Brian: could you clear your 'raised hand' by clicking the hand again?
Thu Nov 13 15:55:53 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... we're moving on to DESIGNING WOMEN
Thu Nov 13 15:56:09 2008	Jeremy_Butler	and the episode, The Strange Case of Clarence and Anita
Thu Nov 13 15:56:26 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Mimi White, in the ideological crit chapter, says...
Thu Nov 13 15:56:41 2008	Jeremy_Butler	that TV shows tend to present contradictory messages
Thu Nov 13 15:56:53 2008	Jeremy_Butler	and 'ideological problematic' of pro and con
Thu Nov 13 15:57:11 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The DW ep is very clear about the issues that it raises
Thu Nov 13 15:57:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	You are either in favor of Clarence Thomas's approval as Supreme Court justice, or you are opposed
Thu Nov 13 15:58:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What I'd like you to think about is how the ep could be agued as being either pro Thomas or anti Thomas (and pro Anita Hill)
Thu Nov 13 15:58:37 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Those of you in groups 3 and 4 are responsible for pointing out how the sp supports Thomas
Thu Nov 13 15:58:54 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Those of you in groups 1 and 2 are reponsible for pointing out how the ep supports Hill
Thu Nov 13 15:59:16 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Give that some thought and we'll discuss it as a group -- using the hand raising system
Thu Nov 13 15:59:19 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Any questions?
Thu Nov 13 15:59:52 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Go think until 3:05!
Thu Nov 13 16:00:10 2008	Jeremy_Butler	You can send private messages to other group members by using the drop-down list to the left of the text-entry box
Thu Nov 13 16:01:59 2008	Erin_Williams	yes?
Thu Nov 13 16:02:29 2008	Erin_Williams	i am going to say that the episode is saying that these incidences are things created by women for attention
Thu Nov 13 16:02:34 2008	Erin_Williams	yes - i was there
Thu Nov 13 16:02:50 2008	Erin_Williams	and that this has no markings on his capabilites as chief justice
Thu Nov 13 16:02:53 2008	Erin_Williams	assistant justice
Thu Nov 13 16:03:29 2008	Erin_Williams	yes - i thought marisa and i were talking privately
Thu Nov 13 16:04:23 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Remember: to chat privately, you must change the drop-down list on the left to a person's name
Thu Nov 13 16:04:35 2008	Jeremy_Butler	And you must change it back to the Main Room to address the class
Thu Nov 13 16:05:26 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... everyone be sure to change the drop-down list to Main Room now
Thu Nov 13 16:05:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	DW was produced by a woman who was an outspoken liberal.
Thu Nov 13 16:05:58 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So one would assume that the ep supports the liberal position and is PRO Anita Hill
Thu Nov 13 16:06:01 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Let's start there
Thu Nov 13 16:06:29 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Those of you in groups 1 and 2... raise your hand if you have a point about how this ep supports Hill
Thu Nov 13 16:06:56 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Nic: you first
Thu Nov 13 16:06:58 2008	John_Gulas	The obvious support of Anita Hill would be the "He Did it" shirt
Thu Nov 13 16:07:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Who wears that shirt and how is it a indication of the ep's spport of Hill in general?
Thu Nov 13 16:07:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	(Anyone in group 1 or 2 can jump in here)
Thu Nov 13 16:08:11 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Anyone? no need to raise a hand
Thu Nov 13 16:08:27 2008	John_Gulas	i forgot her name but the shirt takes a direct stance behind Hill's stance in the case
Thu Nov 13 16:08:48 2008	Jeremy_Butler	right... and that's one of the show's most sympathetic characrers: Mary Jo
Thu Nov 13 16:08:56 2008	Bethany_Andrews	Besides the fact that the producer is a female, the most adamant advocate of Thomas was portrayed as being slightly "dumb" and unrelatable for viewers.
Thu Nov 13 16:09:09 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Rght, Bethany
Thu Nov 13 16:09:27 2008	Jeremy_Butler	The sympathetic characres are pro-Hill and the unsympathetic ones are anti-Hill
Thu Nov 13 16:09:35 2008	Matthew_Glasscock	ahh
Thu Nov 13 16:09:49 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So, groups 3 and 4: how might the ep still be read to support Thomas?
Thu Nov 13 16:10:09 2008	Jeremy_Butler	We're running short of time so just leap in
Thu Nov 13 16:10:25 2008	Erin_Williams	well, alison, who wore the "she lied" shirt-
Thu Nov 13 16:10:31 2008	Jeremy_Butler	How does the ep perhaps contradict the producer's stated liberalism?
Thu Nov 13 16:10:40 2008	Erin_Williams	she was sympathizing with the male opinion
Thu Nov 13 16:11:00 2008	Erin_Williams	she was saying that she wanted attention and this was a waste of time because the decision had already been made
Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008	Benjamin_Kallam	Even though she was not the most sympathetic character, she still presents a somewhat reasonable argument for the opposition's side
Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Anyone?
Thu Nov 13 16:11:19 2008	Jeremy_Butler	<crickets chirping>
Thu Nov 13 16:11:43 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Good point, Ben
Thu Nov 13 16:11:44 2008	Christy_McGee	They talk about how it took Hill ten years to come forward, and how she did so at a very convenient time.
Thu Nov 13 16:12:10 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What else seems to support the point of view that Thomas is right and Hill is wrong?
Thu Nov 13 16:12:27 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What do you make of the scene at the end where Mary Jo is in Bette Davis make-up?
Thu Nov 13 16:13:01 2008	Erin_Williams	bette davis was very outspoken and with mary jo being in her makeup it gave her a sense of empowerment
Thu Nov 13 16:13:07 2008	Jeremy_Butler	true
Thu Nov 13 16:13:09 2008	Bethany_Andrews	there's a very strong "crazy radical feminist" vibe from Mary Jo that would cause viewers to lean the other way
Thu Nov 13 16:13:24 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Good point, Bethany
Thu Nov 13 16:13:33 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Remember how she says
Thu Nov 13 16:13:45 2008	Jeremy_Butler	I don't care if you thnk I'm a feminist or a fruitcake?
Thu Nov 13 16:14:04 2008	Jeremy_Butler	And then she launches into a rant, in excessive make-up, that DOES seem like a fruitcake
Thu Nov 13 16:14:05 2008	Christy_McGee	(in addition to Bethany's comment) Especially given that they do not give Clarence Thomas a voice in the episode.
Thu Nov 13 16:14:29 2008	Christy_McGee	I don't think...
Thu Nov 13 16:14:34 2008	Jeremy_Butler	So, she embodies the "crazy radical feminst" and thus undercuts the rational feminist perspective
Thu Nov 13 16:14:40 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Yes, Christy?
Thu Nov 13 16:14:55 2008	Christy_Abercrombie	sorry i didn't mean to hit whatever button i hit
Thu Nov 13 16:15:02 2008	Jeremy_Butler	OK.
Thu Nov 13 16:15:15 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What do you guys think of the montage at the end?
Thu Nov 13 16:15:23 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What 'message' does it send?
Thu Nov 13 16:15:37 2008	Jeremy_Butler	What's the 'final word' ina sense?
Thu Nov 13 16:15:45 2008	Erin_Williams	that women will always be silenced, in one way or another
Thu Nov 13 16:15:52 2008	Jeremy_Butler	yes
Thu Nov 13 16:16:14 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Does anyone remember how it ends, specifically?
Thu Nov 13 16:16:19 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Can you describe it?
Thu Nov 13 16:16:51 2008	Jeremy_Butler	(crickets chirping)
Thu Nov 13 16:16:57 2008	John_Gulas	A still shot Anita with her head down behind the microphone while some Senator is speaking
Thu Nov 13 16:17:02 2008	John_Gulas	??
Thu Nov 13 16:17:08 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Right... and the melancholy music continues
Thu Nov 13 16:17:29 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Don't you tihnk it reinforces Erin's point?
Thu Nov 13 16:17:47 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Okay... we've run out of time. I know you have other classes to get to.
Thu Nov 13 16:17:56 2008	Jeremy_Butler	Thanks for helping me experiment with the online chat!

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-== Robert Sklar ==
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-# '''Grad Group:''' Skar comments, "Actors who create surprise, embody contradiction, impel the spectator to hold two conflicting ideas in the head at the same time, stand a better chance." What contradictions does Bogart embody? (Sklar also calls it “doubleness.”) Are they in evidence in ''The Maltese Falcon, Dark Victory'', or ''The Petrified Forest''?
+    <th>Time</th>
-# '''Group 1:''' According to Sklar, how had Bogart been typecast up until the time of ''Maltese Falcon''? Is this evident in ''Dark Victory'' and ''The Petrified Forest''?<br>
+    <th>User</th>
-# '''Group 2:''' In ''The Big Sleep'', what does Bogart bring to the noir private eye besides toughness? Do you see the same things in ''Maltese Falcon''? How does Bogart’s romantic aspect change with ''The Big Sleep''? How does Sklar characterize Bogart’s on-screen persona, as embodied in ''The Big Sleep''?
+    <th>Said</th>
-# '''Group 3:''' What connection does Skar see between violence and romance — especially in ''In a Lonely Place''? Is this evident in ''Petrified Forest'', ''Dark Victory'' (the clip we viewed), ''The Maltese Falcon'', or other Bogart films you've seen?
+  </tr>
-# '''Group 4:''' What does Sklar see to be the importance of comedy to Bogart’s roles? Is this evident in ''The Petrified Forest'', ''Dark Victory'' (the clip we viewed), ''The Maltese Falcon'', or other Bogart films you've seen?
+  <tr>
-# '''All Groups:''' What performance signs (although he does not call them that) does Sklar see in Bogart’s work? And what significance do they have?
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
-== Bibliography ==
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I see we have one more joining us...</div></td>
+  </tr>
-# Robert Sklar, ''City Boys: Cagney, Bogart, Garfield'' (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1992).
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:24 2008</td>
-[[Category:TCF440/540_Discussion]]
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> whoa and a bunch just arrived</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:42 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hello Katie, Nathan, and Amanda!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:49 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Katie_Hallman</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hi!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:57 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Nathaniel_Phillips</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hey</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:58:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hi!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:59:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Greetings, Erin!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:59:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hello!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:59:12 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> G'day Bethany!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:59:32 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hello to you all from Phoenix Arizona!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 14:59:55 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Is anyone joining us from somewhere besides Tuscaloosa/Northport?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Christy_Abercrombie</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> bham</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:02 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Christy: Are you in Bhm?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I see</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Christy_Abercrombie</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes sir</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Bethany_Andrews</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hello!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:48 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I see now that we've got 8 students</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:00:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> That's about half the class.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:01:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'll give the others a little while before we start</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:01:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hey, Ben!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:01:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Benjamin_Kallam</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hey</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:18 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hi, Marissa!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Marissa_De_Anda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hello</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Greetings, Nic!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> helllo</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hey, Brian</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:03:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Brian_Hubble</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hi.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:04:00 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hello, Graham!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:04:05 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hey room</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:04:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I see about 15 of you made it!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:04:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Excellent!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:05:03 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> so whats the word?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:05:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm in Phoenix just now</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:05:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> nice out there?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:05 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that's awesome</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:12 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Kinda looks like this (see way too big image dispalying above</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:20 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that's really pretty - how's the weather?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> nice. you golf?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:38 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Bethany_Andrews</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that's beautiful</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:39 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that is really cool</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:55 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Let's go back to Screenpedia...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:06:57 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Brian_Hubble</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Very nice.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:15 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm in my parents house... which makes this pretty strange for me!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> hahaha</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Benjamin_Kallam</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Ha</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:27 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Marissa_De_Anda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> lol</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Katie_Hallman</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> haha</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm having high school flashbacks...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:43 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> lol</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:47 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> lol</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:07:54 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'll tell you one bit of Central High School (Phx) trivia before we start.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:07 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I went to school with John McCain's wife, Cindy</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:11 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Central, class of '72</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Katie_Hallman</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> omg!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:16 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> well</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:18 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Marissa_De_Anda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> really</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> woahhh</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Katie_Hallman</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that's crazy</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> wow!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I had an offer of $300 for my senior year yearbook</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:33 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Bethany_Andrews</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> did you know her?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> from a guy who collects celebrity yearbooks</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:42 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Katie_Hallman</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> i would take the $300</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Benjamin_Kallam</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What was she like?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:56 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that's so funny</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:08:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'd guess it's worth a LOT less now... :(</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:16 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay, enough Phx trivia...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Thank you all for trying out this chat thing</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:43 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> seems ok</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:48 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I did it on Tuesday with TCF 340 -- right Nathan?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:51 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> And it worked okay</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:09:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yea, we should do it again sometime</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:00 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Nathaniel_Phillips</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yeah it worked out pretty well</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Plus I learned some stuff about the interface that should make it better this time</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> here's what we're going to do...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm going to divide you up like we do in class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:37 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> but here it's called 'breakout rooms'</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:10:54 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> You'll be able to chat there as individual groups</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:03 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> about the terms displayed above, from Screenpedia</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:16 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Then your group leader will be responsibel for reporting to the class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:17 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> will we need to click something</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'll do the dividing</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:45 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> You don't need to 'virtually' rearrange your chairs</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:11:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Although you may walk around your apartment/dorm room if you feel like it!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:12:15 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:12:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> okay</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:12:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Theother thing is there are some little icons just to the right of the text enry box</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:12:43 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> a check mark, an X, a hand</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:13:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> If you click the checkmark, it means "yes" and puts a check next to your name</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:13:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The 'X' means no</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:13:25 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jonathan_Carpenter</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> pertaining to</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:13:30 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So, everyone try that out: If you understand what we're about to do, click the checkmark</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:13:46 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> If you don't, click the X</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:14:32 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Alright!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:14:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Click it again to clear it from the column</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:14:54 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm going to divide you now...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:16:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... everyone is in a breakout room now</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:16:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I can broadcast to the whole class, but you can only type to your group members</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:17:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'll come visit each room...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:17:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ... but start working on the terms listed for your group in Screenpedia above</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:17:49 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> You can send me a personal message by using the drop-downlist to the left of the text entry box</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:26:50 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> We'll work in breakout rooms until 2:35</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:28:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:28:42 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ooops... I mean...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:29:05 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> If you room finishes early, please start working on the Screenpedia section titled 'Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television"</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:31:33 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Hey, Chuck</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:31:54 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Do you read me?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:10 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes sir</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> sorry im late</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:33 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The class has been divided into breakout rooms until 2:35</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'll move you into yours.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:46 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> That's okay. Glad you could make it</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:32:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ok thank you</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:35:10 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... let's move on back into the main room</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:35:15 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Get ready...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:36:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Welcome back everyone!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:36:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Let's find out what folks learned in the breakout rooms</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:36:38 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> We'll start with Group 2</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:36:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mitch: how did you guys define 'social classes'?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:37:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (by the way, the chat in the main room is being recorded and will be posted later)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:37:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (Amanda: your group is next)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:38:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mitch: did we lose you?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:38:56 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> uh oh...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:38:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I'm sorry, I was having some difficulties</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:39:07 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... take your time</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:39:25 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Amanda, could you hop in and define "means of production"?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:40:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> its factories that the bourgeois capitalists controlled - it determines who will work. In Marx's ideology, the working class has the power to withold the labor, or means of production</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:40:32 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Right</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:40:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> And what is the idea behind 'dominant ideology'?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:41:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Oh, one thing about the means of production:</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:41:25 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> it's owned by the bourgeoisie</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:41:52 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> They control it, but the working class may go on strike to disrupt it</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:42:11 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Amanda_Killen</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> its a system of beliefs about the world that benefits and supports a society's ruling class . It's an effort to smooth over contradiction in the process of promoting a more unified idea of social subjectivity</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:42:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Right.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:42:52 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So the dominant ideology is the system of beliefs that belongs to the dominant class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:42:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> social classes are grounded in economic s and a person's relation to work or labor.  according to marx all conflicts in a society can be boiled down to class struggle</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:43:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mitch: right</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:43:20 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So what did Marx see as the three main classes?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:43:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> aristocracy is the kings and queens, the royal class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:43:43 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> right</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Bourgeoisie is the ruling class that controls the means of production</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> correct</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:27 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> and proletariat?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:42 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> the poor suckers that have to work for a living</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The proleteriat is the working class that does the actual production</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:44:45 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> you got it</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:10 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> in the US then, there is no aristocracy</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:15 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> but in Europe, there is</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:28 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Aristocratic power is based in bloodlines</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:32 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The ruling class today is the economic elete</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> elite</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:41 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The power of the bourgeois is based in money</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:45:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> you could call our celebrity system an aristocray</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:46:04 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> the bourgeoisie owns the factories, media, transporation, etc</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:46:12 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Matthew: in a sense you're right</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:46:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> but celebrities aren't able to hand down their power to their children the way true aristocrats do</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:46:49 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The power of the working class, then, is in their labor</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:46:50 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So would the ruling class be like the major studios and media outlets today?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mitch: yep, the ruling class conntrols those entities</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:11 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> huh? good point</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:17 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> OK, group 1:</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What's hegemony?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:30 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Christy_Abercrombie</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> its basically when one dominant class has influence or control over a society</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:33 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Christy?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:37 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> right</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:47:46 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Can you tell us anything more about how that control works?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> it describes the general predominance of a particular class, political, and ideological interests within a given society</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Christy_Abercrombie</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> our example was politicians because they are very good at manipulating our thoughts, in terms of what we think we want, or they convince us we have problems and they can fix them... so they influence us by making us vote for them</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:48:47 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> True</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:48:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The key element to hegemony, as you're implying...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:49:25 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ...is that the subordinated class (the class being exploited), comes to believe the ruling class' values are its own</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:49:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Let's try another element of this chat interface...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:50:00 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> If you can answer the following question, click the little hand icon</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:50:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> That will virtually raise your hand</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:50:22 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Now, don't buzz in yet! Wait for the questino!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:50:45 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What would be an example of a ruling class value that non-ruling class people believe?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:51:02 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Brian, that was fast! Anyone else?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:51:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> See how it numbers the hand raising column?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:51:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay, we'll start with Brian:</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:51:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Brian_Hubble</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The disestablishment of the Estate Tax and equating that with the 'Death Tax'.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:51:41 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Can you explain further?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:52:03 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> While he's doing that: Matthew, what's your example?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:52:06 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> the harder you work, the better your chances of succeeding in life</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:52:18 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> i like that one</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:52:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Matthew: exactly. Here's an idea that mostly serves the bourgeoisie, but which most working class people believe</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:52:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> the bourgeoisie want to keep the prolitariate working</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:53:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So, when working class people accept values that are NOT in their interest, then you have hegemony</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:53:13 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mitch, Graham: your thoughts?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:53:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (click the hand a second time to clear it)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:53:39 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Brian_Hubble</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The Estate Tax is a tax on unearned wealth that most came into effect when transfering sums of money from various mutual funds or liquidating assets. But it became equated with a tax charged upon your death before your money is distributed to the benefactors of your will. This is a very short view since this tax only effect the top 1% of earners yet it was used to rally working class people who could never be called upon to pay something like this to defeat it.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:53:41 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Charles_Chapleau</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes, the idea is viewed as the commonsense view for both classes</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:54:17 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Right, Chuck, when ruling class values become 'commensense' for EVERYONE, you have hegemony</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:54:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Good example, Brian</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:54:28 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Mitchell_DeAnda</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> It is natural that working class values would be largely dictated by the rulling class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:55:07 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay, I had planned to divide you again, but let's try discussing the next points as one big class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:55:21 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> we'll use the hand-raising function to try to make it work</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:55:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Brian: could you clear your 'raised hand' by clicking the hand again?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:55:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... we're moving on to DESIGNING WOMEN</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:56:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> and the episode, The Strange Case of Clarence and Anita</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:56:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Mimi White, in the ideological crit chapter, says...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:56:41 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that TV shows tend to present contradictory messages</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:56:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> and 'ideological problematic' of pro and con</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:57:11 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The DW ep is very clear about the issues that it raises</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:57:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> You are either in favor of Clarence Thomas's approval as Supreme Court justice, or you are opposed</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:58:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What I'd like you to think about is how the ep could be agued as being either pro Thomas or anti Thomas (and pro Anita Hill)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:58:37 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Those of you in groups 3 and 4 are responsible for pointing out how the sp supports Thomas</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:58:54 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Those of you in groups 1 and 2 are reponsible for pointing out how the ep supports Hill</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:59:16 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Give that some thought and we'll discuss it as a group -- using the hand raising system</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:59:19 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Any questions?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 15:59:52 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Go think until 3:05!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:00:10 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> You can send private messages to other group members by using the drop-down list to the left of the text-entry box</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:01:59 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:02:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> i am going to say that the episode is saying that these incidences are things created by women for attention</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:02:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes - i was there</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:02:50 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> and that this has no markings on his capabilites as chief justice</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:02:53 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> assistant justice</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:03:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes - i thought marisa and i were talking privately</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:04:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Remember: to chat privately, you must change the drop-down list on the left to a person's name</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:04:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> And you must change it back to the Main Room to address the class</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:05:26 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... everyone be sure to change the drop-down list to Main Room now</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:05:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> DW was produced by a woman who was an outspoken liberal.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:05:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So one would assume that the ep supports the liberal position and is PRO Anita Hill</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:06:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Let's start there</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:06:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Those of you in groups 1 and 2... raise your hand if you have a point about how this ep supports Hill</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:06:56 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Nic: you first</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:06:58 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The obvious support of Anita Hill would be the "He Did it" shirt</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:07:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Who wears that shirt and how is it a indication of the ep's spport of Hill in general?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:07:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (Anyone in group 1 or 2 can jump in here)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:08:11 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Anyone? no need to raise a hand</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:08:27 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> i forgot her name but the shirt takes a direct stance behind Hill's stance in the case</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:08:48 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> right... and that's one of the show's most sympathetic characrers: Mary Jo</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:08:56 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Bethany_Andrews</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Besides the fact that the producer is a female, the most adamant advocate of Thomas was portrayed as being slightly "dumb" and unrelatable for viewers.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:09:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Rght, Bethany</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:09:27 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> The sympathetic characres are pro-Hill and the unsympathetic ones are anti-Hill</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:09:35 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Matthew_Glasscock</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ahh</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:09:49 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So, groups 3 and 4: how might the ep still be read to support Thomas?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:10:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> We're running short of time so just leap in</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:10:25 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> well, alison, who wore the "she lied" shirt-</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:10:31 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> How does the ep perhaps contradict the producer's stated liberalism?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:10:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> she was sympathizing with the male opinion</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:00 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> she was saying that she wanted attention and this was a waste of time because the decision had already been made</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Benjamin_Kallam</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Even though she was not the most sympathetic character, she still presents a somewhat reasonable argument for the opposition's side</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Anyone?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:19 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;">
+        <crickets chirping>
+      </div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:43 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Good point, Ben</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:11:44 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Christy_McGee</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> They talk about how it took Hill ten years to come forward, and how she did so at a very convenient time.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:12:10 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What else seems to support the point of view that Thomas is right and Hill is wrong?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:12:27 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What do you make of the scene at the end where Mary Jo is in Bette Davis make-up?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:01 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> bette davis was very outspoken and with mary jo being in her makeup it gave her a sense of empowerment</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:07 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> true</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:09 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Bethany_Andrews</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> there's a very strong "crazy radical feminist" vibe from Mary Jo that would cause viewers to lean the other way</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:24 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Good point, Bethany</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:33 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Remember how she says</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:13:45 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I don't care if you thnk I'm a feminist or a fruitcake?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:04 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> And then she launches into a rant, in excessive make-up, that DOES seem like a fruitcake</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:05 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Christy_McGee</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (in addition to Bethany's comment) Especially given that they do not give Clarence Thomas a voice in the episode.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Christy_McGee</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> I don't think...</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:34 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> So, she embodies the "crazy radical feminst" and thus undercuts the rational feminist perspective</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:40 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Yes, Christy?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:14:55 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Christy_Abercrombie</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> sorry i didn't mean to hit whatever button i hit</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:02 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> OK.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:15 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What do you guys think of the montage at the end?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:23 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What 'message' does it send?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:37 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> What's the 'final word' ina sense?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:45 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Erin_Williams</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> that women will always be silenced, in one way or another</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:15:52 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> yes</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:16:14 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Does anyone remember how it ends, specifically?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:16:19 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Can you describe it?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:16:51 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> (crickets chirping)</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:16:57 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> A still shot Anita with her head down behind the microphone while some Senator is speaking</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:17:02 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> John_Gulas</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> ??</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:17:08 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Right... and the melancholy music continues</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:17:29 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Don't you tihnk it reinforces Erin's point?</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listevenrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:17:47 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listevenrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listevenrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Okay... we've run out of time. I know you have other classes to get to.</div></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr>
+    <td width="200" class="listoddrowcell"> Thu Nov 13 16:17:56 2008</td>
+    <td width="100" class="listoddrowcell"> Jeremy_Butler</td>
+    <td width="370" class="listoddrowcell"><div style="overflow: hidden; width: 370px;"> Thanks for helping me experiment with the online chat!</div></td>
+  </tr>
+</table>