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 ==Readings==
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 #'''Group 4:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.

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 #'''Group 4:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
-#*'''Student response:''' Two aspects of the spider woman, a woman who "weaves a web" to annihilate her victim but ends up getting tanged in her own web, are sexual power exerted over her victim, and a woman who wants freedom and independence from what is usually an already prosperous life. Both of these aspects can be seen in the Movie Double Indemnity, where the character Phyllis (1) makes her entrance wearing nothing but a towel, sparking the interest and slowly wearing down insurance salesman Walter; and (2) she uses that power to get insurance money from her husband and live her own life, although she is already living comfortably and is well provided for.
+#*'''Student response:''' Place mentions aggressiveness and sensuality, with respect to the spider woman. These two aspects are represented through long hair, sensual dress that exposes some skin, looks into mirrors, cigarette smoke, and possession of weapons. In DOUBLE INDEMNITY, Phyllis lives up to this standard immediately. In the first scene she is featured, she appears in a towel, then quickly changes into a dress, which still reveals her legs. In the same scene, Phyllis sits and looks into a mirror and applies some lipstick. According to Place, such behavior indicates the character is narcissistic and duplicitous, while her appearance speaks for itself.
 #'''Group 1:''' What is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir, according to Place? How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''.
 #*'''Student response:''' The ideological operation of the myths of film noir as discussed in this article is to condemn women who use their sexuality to manipulate men; however, film noir also functions to allow for the audience to retain a strong image of a powerful and sexually free woman. Place uses the term "myth" to mean popular culture which "expresses and reproduces the ideologies necessary to the existence of the social structure."

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 #'''Group 4:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
 #'''Group 1:''' What is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir, according to Place? How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''.
 #'''Group 2:''' How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Is this evident in the films we've seen? Explain.
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 #*What, then, are gay iconographic features? He mentions ''The Maltese Falcon'' in particular. Have we seen these features in other films shown in class?
 #*What does Dyer feel is significant about the "luxury milieu" of noir? Explain his comment that "gay men and the femmes fatales share the same decor iconographically."
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 #'''Group 4:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
-#'''Group 1:''' What is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir, according to Place? How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"?
+#'''Group 1:''' What is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir, according to Place? How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''.
 #'''Group 2:''' How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Is this evident in the films we've seen? Explain.

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-#'''Group 3:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
+#'''Group 4:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure:  the spider woman and the nurturing woman.  Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
-#'''Group 4:''' How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"?
+#'''Group 1:''' What is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir, according to Place? How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"?
 #*And what is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''.
-#'''Grad Group:''' How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Does this play out in the films we've seen?
+#'''Group 2:''' How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Is this evident in the films we've seen? Explain.
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-#'''Group 1:''' How does Dyer feel film noir can be defined beyond Schrader’s "mood"?  What does he mean by the term, "iconography"? Hint: he uses it more broadly than Kitses.
+#'''Group 3:''' How does Dyer feel film noir can be defined beyond Schrader’s "mood"?  What does he mean by the term, "iconography"? Hint: he uses it more broadly than Kitses.
 #*What, then, are gay iconographic features? He mentions ''The Maltese Falcon'' in particular. Have we seen these features in other films shown in class?
 #*What does Dyer feel is significant about the "luxury milieu" of noir? Explain his comment that "gay men and the femmes fatales share the same decor iconographically."
 '''All Groups:'''
 #What does Dyer mean when he writes, "Gays are thus defined by everything but the very thing that makes us different"?
 #Dyer writes that gays can serve the narrative function of the villain, but, besides that, what other function do they often serve within the narrative structure?

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	#Richard Dyer, "Homosexuality and Film Noir," ''The Matter of Images: Essays on Representation'' (London & New York: Routledge, 1993), 52-72. Originally published in ''Jump Cut'' 16 (1977).[http://ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC16folder/HomosexFilmNoir.html]		#Richard Dyer, "Homosexuality and Film Noir," ''The Matter of Images: Essays on Representation'' (London & New York: Routledge, 1993), 52-72. Originally published in ''Jump Cut'' 16 (1977).[http://ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC16folder/HomosexFilmNoir.html]

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